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16 May 2010 10:39 AM  
Speed seems to be an issue, I'm on a fast connection and it takes 30 seconds of loading to switch between the tabs at the top.
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16 May 2010 10:40 AM  
It took 45 seconds for that above message to post.
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17 May 2010 06:53 AM  
Speed's still an issue. The heavy internet traffic that the protests in BKK generates could be part of the issue, but, like Tom, just posting a message takes about half a minute.
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04 Jun 2010 03:12 PM  
How is the speed now?
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06 Jun 2010 11:10 AM  
General speed is much better now.
Only complaint is the galleries. This seems to be not the most appropriate application here. A few issues: Loading is still slow (but much improved since last week). Zooming in is somewhat useless as you seem to be not able to move the crop around. The text entered for galleries is cut off with no warning.
And may I dare humbly questioning your policy of watermarking the pix? While I understand from your posts and explanation that the copyright remains with the uploader, I see the Copyright Bangkok Images Remark then as somehow misleading. How about a different Watermark, like "hosted by BI" or whatever?
Also, once you doubleclick on the pic to see it in full size, your Watermark is gone!

Sorry for the lots of whining, it is an excellent page, and I am looking forward to spend many more hours here!
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06 Jun 2010 05:18 PM  
Thanks for the feedback. The galleries I'm afraid are going to be less than ideal for a while.. and I'm assuming you're speaking of the user galleries and not the main site galleries?

The issue here is the feature set and options are more limited once we make them available to everyone. What size images are you uploading? Shoot for 800x600 with a compression that leavers them approximately 160k in size. This size should load fairly quickly though there is still some lag.

Let me look into the text issues and I'll get back to you on this.


The watermark we can certainly change. However, a general watermark without a name/website is useless. "Hosted by" is obvious and doesn't protect the image.. we need to decide on a name or website to link the copyright to.. and I'm open to suggestions. We could put "User Copyright, Bangkok Images" or something to that effect.. or I could remove it altogether.. for user galleries its not going to hurt me. But it will certainly result in the misuse/theft of user images.

Also, keep in mind that the watermarks are not actually attached to the images. They're 'over laid' on the images which is why you don't see them in full screen. It's an informational/warning mark that will show up if someone tries a screen capture. We can also disable the full size since we're limiting the full size to 800x600 as well.. you get 800x600 in the gallery and 800x600 full size..

Let me know what you think..
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06 Jun 2010 05:41 PM  
I made some changes. They aren't set in stone, so speak up if you don't like them and try to offer an alternative.

Changes to the User Galleries;

1. Enlarged watermark to font 16

2. Made the watermark more transparent

3. Changed watermark text to read "Copyright User, www.BangkokImages.com" Please offer an alternative if you don't like this.

4. I removed the resize (looked like a zoom) button.

5. Disabled Lightbox view as its the same size as the current view.

6. Added a star rating system. There are now 5 stars on the images in the lower left corner and any user can click on them to rate.. An average rating will be displayed.



I can't do anything about the text. I'll ask the web developer about this.

On my end the galleries were very fast with every function. Perhaps speed is more a function of the image/file size and your internet connection speed? Please keep us informed on this as we want to tweak the site and improve performance.
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07 Jun 2010 09:23 AM  
Thanks for the changes so far. Will have a look soon if dpeed has improvd.
From all I can tell, my photos (most of them) should fit well within the approx 100 - 200 Kb size you mentioned. "Connect to server" seems to take at least half of the time, maybe that helps.
In general, I would rather use a non-flash gallery here. Maybe it is my personal prejudice, but i always find flash either making problems or slowing down things, and rarely ever improving things at all.

I think I can live with the current watermark, in the end it should be up to the user to decide whether he reserves copyright, releases some pix under alternative licenses like Creative Commons (which I use for my Twitter Images), or completely ignores the aspect. I usually have my Copyright embedded in my files, as well as in the exif.

Until later, and keep up the good work!
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07 Jun 2010 09:32 AM  
Speed is still an issue, my Internet Speed (Pattaya) is 4mB down and 1 up, and it takes about 10 Seconds to load a pic with Original (Upload) size of 150 KB.
Also, it looks to me now that portrait orientation fotos are now slightly cropped on top frame, in case they are originally larger than 600 high.
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07 Jun 2010 10:02 AM  
One more issue: My time zone is wrong, and I cant find a setting on the forum.
My last post shows at June 7th 2:23 AM, where it really was posted at 9:23 PM from Thailand. My PC has correct time and time zone, btw.
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07 Jun 2010 11:15 AM  
" In general, I would rather use a non-flash gallery here. Maybe it is my personal prejudice, but i always find flash either making problems or slowing down things, and rarely ever improving things at all."

Galleries are very important to me, and were the secondary consideration of this site after article management. The site galleries I use are much more full featured than the user galleries.. but they all use the same engine. I test drove a bunch of different galleries before choosing this one.. and this gallery engine has both flash and html.

With that said.. feedback consistently indicated users wanted flash galleries and watermarks.. the slightly extra security of a flash gallery that detours someone copying your images makes most feel better. So far I've had no stability or error issues with the flash version of this site that we couldn't quickly trace and adjust. I still have the choice of HTML or Flash on the site galleries and I can switch them back and forth at will without reuploading the images. Flash is faster and offers more features.. HTML can't compare.

And with that said I don't use the user version of the galleries and I plan on using them more in the near future to get a better feel.. and make no mistake.. your feedback is very helpful and not a bother at all. There are some things I can do.. and some things the web developer can do.. and what he can't do will get added to the Version 2 wish list..

Anyway.. some changes are like flipping a light switch.. others are not. We'll continue to do what we can based on feedback.. but we ask users to understand some requests require root level changes and will be implemented in future versions. 10 years from now we're going to have the most awesome index of SEA images available anywhere.. and I have ideas where in the future we do micro sales and users can pocket small amounts of royalties.. but this is a long way out. First things first.

Copyright: The law, which is pretty much universal regarding copyright in any country.. states the photographer ALWAYS retains rights to their copyright unless specifically signed away. I wouldn't let a watermark bother you. I am and will remain open to alternative text.. and because the watermark is an overlay and not part of the image.. (image and exfil watermarks remain untouched) they are very easy to change.
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07 Jun 2010 11:16 AM  
"One more issue: My time zone is wrong, and I cant find a setting on the forum. My last post shows at June 7th 2:23 AM, where it really was posted at 9:23 PM from Thailand. My PC has correct time and time zone, btw."

Click on your name in the time bar.. and this allows you to enter your user profile. Click on "manage profile" and set your time zones and other information as desired. That should do it.
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07 Jun 2010 11:30 AM  
"Speed is still an issue, my Internet Speed (Pattaya) is 4mB down and 1 up, and it takes about 10 Seconds to load a pic with Original (Upload) size of 150 KB. Also, it looks to me now that portrait orientation fotos are now slightly cropped on top frame, in case they are originally larger than 600 high."

I added a bit more headroom on the vertical sector.. let me know how that works out. We can make it big enough to fully accommodate portrait perspective images.. but then we end up with a lot of extra room when viewing landscape images. Lets slowly increase it and see if we can find a happy medium.

Speed. There are two different types of speed we're talking about with this site. 1. The speed the site moves from frame to frame, searches, etc.. and that seems to be fine from where I'm sitting. 2. The speed you can upload images. This site can accept any speed you can send it, at least any speed available in Thailand.. I routinely upload entire galleries of 40-50 images at once and it appears to be very fast to me.. but again I'm not using the user galleries and maybe this is different. I'll need to check this out in more detail later this week.

10 seconds for a single image isn't bad. How does it do with ten images at a time? Is the time the same or cut down? There is some indexing overhead and its roughly the same per image, or per batch of images.

Have you tried Speedtest.com? I have the 1mb upload speed too.. and find it varies quite a bit.. from a low of 100k to the full 1mb. When I test the site I'm now in the habit of doing a Speedtest cycle to establish a baseline so I know where the issue is..
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07 Jun 2010 01:45 PM  
Thanks. Found the time zone update now. Let me just say I could swear these menus under the first block were not there when I visited the same menu a few hours ago.
Also, your last entry shows June 7th 4:30 AM now?
About times: 10 seconds is the time it takes for me to switch from one pic to the next while watching the gallery. Uploading took much longer last week. Waiting 10 Seconds to show the next pic in the users gallery (with a 4 MB connection that usually maxes out within Thailand, and reaches about 3 MB in Speedtest to USA or London ...)? Let me say I just blame flash. Occams razor is it ....
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07 Jun 2010 01:47 PM  
Still, with correct (Bangkok) time zone settings I made before posting my last post, my entry is shown at 6:45 AM on June 7th.
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07 Jun 2010 03:50 PM  
It's easy to miss stuff.. I need to write some tutorials for the galleries and other things with screen shots.. its on my list and I'll get to it..

10 seconds to switch pictures is way too long. In your galleries its taking me less than 2 seconds per image to move from one picture to another. In the site galleries where the images are twice the size about the same. Remember, with flash galleries a certain number of galleries 'load up' or buffer.. so you need to let a gallery load the first time you look at it. I usually give a gallery 30 seconds to load and go work on another tab.. and then come back and enjoy the gallery. Unless I'm flipping through the images very fast the next picture comes in 1-2 seconds.

If you're still using 10 seconds to move between images run the speedtest.com routine for me and post the numbers and lets find out where the issue is.

I was with you about flash.. and a poorly written flash gallery is hell. but these are rather good.

Within a few weeks the web developer is going to update to an updated gallery engine (incremental update), we hope to see some small improvements from this.
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07 Jun 2010 03:52 PM  
"Posted By Sunny Valentine on 07 Jun 2010 01:47 PM
Still, with correct (Bangkok) time zone settings I made before posting"

Once you make the time zone change.. if it doesn't appear to take.. exit the browser and then load up again. If it still doesn't take.. do a control-f5. That will do it. This is the sort of thing you set once and never again.. so it's refresh probably isn't very often. Exiting the browser or forcing a rest with control-f5 will get us there.
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07 Jun 2010 10:13 PM  
Test post to see if the time zone sticks now. Your last post shows 8:52 AM on June 7th, Steve! That cant be right! It is now June 8th, local time (Bangkok) 10:13 AM
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07 Jun 2010 10:26 PM  
This is how the last few posts show to me in terms of time and date. Sorry cant find a way to post screenshots here. Is there an option to use a full editor somewhere? Cant find it!

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Thanks. Found the time zone update now. Let me



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Still, with correct (Bangkok) time zone settings I made before posting



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07 Jun 2010 08:50 AM QuoteQuote ReplyReply AlertAlert
It's easy to miss stuff.. I need to write some tutorials for the galleries and other things with screen shots.. its on my list and I'll get to it..

10 seconds to switch pictures is way too long. In your galleries its taking me less than 2 seconds per image to move from one picture to another. In the site galleries where the images are twice the size about the same. Remember, with flash galleries a certain number of galleries 'load up' or buffer.. so you need to let a gallery load the first time you look at it. I usually give a



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07 Jun 2010 08:52 AM QuoteQuote ReplyReply AlertAlert
"Posted By Sunny Valentine on 07 Jun 2010 01:47 PM
Still, with correct (Bangkok) time zone settings I made before posting"

Once you make the time zone change.. if it doesn't appear to take.. exit


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Test post to see if the time zone sticks now. Your last post shows 8:52 AM on June 7th, Steve! That cant be right! It is now June 8th, local time (Bangkok) 10:13 AM





See?

Oh, and before you ask: Yes, I have reloaded the page. I have actually rebooted the PC since my visit and posts last night ....

Do you see the post where you answered me. It seems to have been written before my post you refer to!
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07 Jun 2010 11:16 PM  
Speedtest results:

Bangkok [URL=http://www.speedtest.net][/URL]
Boston [URL=http://www.speedtest.net][/URL]
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